Legislature(2009 - 2010)CAPITOL 17

03/24/2009 01:00 PM House TRANSPORTATION


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ HJR 9 CENTENNIAL OF FLIGHT CELEBRATION TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
*+ HB 181 USE OF HEADLIGHTS REQUIRED TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
= HB 155 AUTHORIZE ECONOMIC STIMULUS PARTICIPATION
Moved CSHB 155(TRA) Out of Committee
HB 181-USE OF HEADLIGHTS REQUIRED                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:14:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced  that the next order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 181, "An  Act relating  to the use  of headlights                                                               
when operating a motor vehicle."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:14:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCOTT  KAWASAKI,  Alaska  State  Legislature,  as                                                               
prime sponsor,  stated that the  purpose of  HB 181 is  to reduce                                                               
accidents  and deaths.    He explained  that  the Alaska  Highway                                                               
Safety Office created a strategic  highway plan to recommend that                                                               
the  state require  car and  truck  headlights be  used when  the                                                               
vehicles are  moving.   He related  that scientific  research has                                                               
shown that simply using headlights  is an effective way to reduce                                                               
highway traffic  head-on collisions and fatalities.   The Highway                                                               
Transportation  Safety   Administration  indicated   that  proper                                                               
signage,  enforcement, and  headlight  requirements could  reduce                                                               
head-on  collisions by  between  7 and  15  percent, which  could                                                               
translate in  Alaska in  reducing deaths  by 1  to 2  percent per                                                               
year.  Headlight  requirements have been in place  since the mid-                                                               
1990s  along the  Seward Highway  just south  of Anchorage.   The                                                               
Department of Public Safety (DPS)  has noted a marked decrease in                                                               
accidents  since the  implementation.   Many  other countries  in                                                               
polar regions, such as Sweden,  found that crashes in urban areas                                                               
were reduced by 20 percent and 17 percent in rural areas.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI  related that Alaska would  be joining 38                                                               
other places in support of  the use of headlights on motorcycles.                                                               
He  explained that  headlights  increase  the conspicuousness  of                                                               
motorcycles.   This  purpose is  not to  increase the  motorcycle                                                               
operator's visibility, but to increase  the visibility of drivers                                                               
of other  vehicles so that they  see the motorcycles.   He closed                                                               
by relating that  in Juneau near the Fred  Meyer store, motorists                                                               
can see  2.5 or  3 miles  to Sunny  Point.   He stated  that when                                                               
driving at  twilight it is  much easier to  see the car  with its                                                               
headlights on than  one without headlights.  He  urged members to                                                               
consider this bill for public safety reasons.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:17:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN  referred to HB  181, to the  proposed AS                                                               
28.35.195,  which would  not allow  a person  to operate  a motor                                                               
vehicle on a highway unless  the headlight system required by law                                                               
for  that motor  vehicle  was  illuminated.   He  inquired as  to                                                               
whether "highway" is defined.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI related  that  "highway"  is defined  in                                                               
Title 19  as any roadway, right-of-way,  passageway, or causeway.                                                               
He opined  that any place a  person could operate a  car would be                                                               
considered a highway.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN  stated that  the definition  for highway                                                               
in the  statute under  AS 19 includes  the Alaska  Marine Highway                                                               
System.  He  stated that it is common practice  to ask passengers                                                               
driving vehicles  onto the  ferry to turn  the headlights  off to                                                               
avoid blinding the workers.   He also recalled that cars entering                                                               
the military  bases are required  to turn  off their lights.   He                                                               
inquired as to whether any exemptions  are built into the bill to                                                               
protect  the common  practices  such as  when  embarking a  state                                                               
ferry.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI  said that  he may have  to defer  to the                                                               
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities (DOT&PF).                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:20:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON recalled testimony  for safety zones which                                                               
impose  double fines  such that  the department  did not  want to                                                               
diminish  the  impact  by  requiring safety  zones  in  too  many                                                               
places.    Thus, if  the  headlight  law became  commonplace,  he                                                               
inquired  as  to  whether  it  would take  away  the  impact  and                                                               
suddenly people would ignore those cars with headlights.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI  opined  that  the  inherent  safety  of                                                               
having the ability to see a  car would benefit Alaskans more.  He                                                               
further  opined that  if all  cars  had their  headlights on,  it                                                               
would increase safety on roadways.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:21:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ  observed that  currently most  drivers keep                                                               
their  headlights  on.   She  inquired  as  to whether  the  bill                                                               
sponsor knew  the percentage  of those who  currently do  not use                                                               
headlights.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KAWASAKI  related   that   many  vehicles   have                                                               
continuous  running  lights,  but   he  does  not  have  specific                                                               
statistics.    He  noted  that   the  fiscal  note  provides  for                                                               
education through the use of signage.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON remarked that she likes to use her headlights.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN  commented he  appreciates when  drivers of                                                               
vehicles use headlights.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:23:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON noted  his vehicle has fog  lights that he                                                               
can  run independently  of his  headlights.   He  inquired as  to                                                               
whether the term "headlights" is defined.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI offered  his belief  that headlights  is                                                               
the system of lights and is inclusive.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON inquired  as to  whether that  definition                                                               
also includes parking lights.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI   related  his  understanding   that  it                                                               
probably would cover parking lights.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON remarked  that he  would not  want to  be                                                               
subject to a fine.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN  offered his  belief that two  little fog                                                               
lights would  probably not  qualify, but  said he  was uncertain.                                                               
He inquired as to whether any other states have provisions.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON stated  that the  bill specifically  uses the  term                                                               
headlights.  She  said, "Headlights are headlights.   They're not                                                               
fog lights.  They're not parking lights.  They're headlights.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:26:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG referred  to  13 AAC  04.010 (c)  which                                                               
read, "Every vehicle  traveling on a highway or  vehicular way or                                                               
area must  illuminate lights when  traveling on any  roadway that                                                               
is  posted with  signs  requiring  the use  of  headlights."   He                                                               
referred to  13 AAC 04.010 (d)  which read:  "For  the purpose of                                                               
(c)  of this  section, lights  include low  intensity headlights,                                                               
and daytime  running lamp devices  that meet the standards  of 49                                                               
CFR 571 revised as of August  29, 1996, if the headlights are not                                                               
otherwise  required under  (a)(1) or  (2) of  this section."   He                                                               
stated that this  requires headlights to be on a  half hour after                                                               
sunset and a  half hour before sunrise or at  any other time when                                                               
insufficient  light or  other  atmospheric  conditions exist  and                                                               
persons or vehicles are not  clearly discernable at a distance of                                                               
1,000 feet.  Additionally, it  applies to every vehicle traveling                                                               
on a highway or other vehicular way or area within the state.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:27:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON  stated he is  not aware of  the standards                                                               
and is not  certain that his question was  answered regarding the                                                               
definition of a headlight.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:28:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN recalled  that last  week the  committee                                                               
held  a  lengthy discussion  regarding  bicycles  that share  the                                                               
roadway.  He  inquired as to whether bicycles should  be added to                                                               
the list  since the proposed  bill language lists  only motorized                                                               
vehicles.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:29:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI  explained that he  did not want  to make                                                               
the bill  extreme.  He  stated vehicles are  4,000-pound machines                                                               
that can do a great amount of  damage.  Thus, the need for public                                                               
safety law  warrants this.   He opined  that a  collision between                                                               
bicycles would not likely cause  a fatality.  However, collisions                                                               
between motor  vehicles involve  destructive forces  and reducing                                                               
even one or two deaths warrants the bill.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN  inquired  as  to  whether  a  collision                                                               
involving  a 4,000-pound  vehicle  and a  40-pound bicycle  might                                                               
also warrant  consideration of including bicycles  since it might                                                               
help bicyclists.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:30:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG offered  his  belief that  the bill  is                                                               
important.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:31:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KURT SMITH,  Traffic and  Safety Engineer,  Division of  Design &                                                               
Engineering  Services,  Department  of  Transportation  &  Public                                                               
Facilities  (DOTPF), stated  that  DOT&PF  strongly supports  the                                                               
bill.  He  opined that it is  a cost effective way  to save lives                                                               
by making  vehicles more  conspicuous.   He explained  that signs                                                               
will be  needed at points  of entry  such as at  airports, marine                                                               
terminals, and  border points to  advise motorists  that Alaska's                                                               
law requires using headlights.   He estimated that about 40 signs                                                               
would  be needed  at  a  total cost  of  $135,000.   He  informed                                                               
members  that DOT&PF  has identified  $40,000  in Highway  Safety                                                               
Funding that could  be used towards the signs,  which would leave                                                               
a fiscal  note of  $95,000.   He stated  that the  Highway Safety                                                               
Office would  also conduct  an education  campaign about  the new                                                               
law in advance of implementation.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:32:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH recalled questions on  exemptions for the Alaska Marine                                                               
Highway System (AMHS) and military  bases.  He offered his belief                                                               
that such exemptions do not exist.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON  inquired as  to whether a  motorist could                                                               
be cited for obeying a  ferry terminal operator's instructions to                                                               
turn off the headlights on his/her vehicle.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH offered his understanding  that there is nothing in law                                                               
that  would  provide that  exemption,  even  though common  sense                                                               
would.    In  response  to   a  request  for  clarification  from                                                               
Representative   Wilson, he stated,  "There's nothing in  the law                                                               
that would make the law not applicable on the ferry system."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:34:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  asked if it  would be  okay if the  motorist turned                                                               
lights off at the direction of AMHS staff.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH answered that theoretically  nothing in law provides an                                                               
exemption.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:34:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARY  SIROKY, Legislative  Liaison, Office  of the  Commissioner,                                                               
Department  of  Transportation   &  Public  Facilities  (DOT&PF),                                                               
explained  that  the  law  does   not  specifically  exempt  that                                                               
situation.  However,  she noted that common  sense would prevail.                                                               
Additionally,  she   stated  that   DOT&PF  does  not   have  any                                                               
enforcement authority  in AMHS terminals, so  personnel would not                                                               
be in  the position to cite  anyone.  She reiterated  that DOT&PF                                                               
believes  common sense  prevails.   She  stated  that if  someone                                                               
instructed  a  motorist  to  turn  off the  lights  in  a  safety                                                               
situation,  that decision  would prevail.   She  opined that  the                                                               
Department of Public Safety would agree.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:35:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON  offered his belief  that a law is  a law,                                                               
whether it is  at military bases or at airports.   He opined that                                                               
if common sense prevails, many statutes would not be necessary.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:37:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  explained   that  military  bases  are                                                               
covered by  federal law.   He  stated that  a well  defined legal                                                               
area  of law  authorizes federal  law to  set speed  limits.   He                                                               
stated that headlight  use on military bases is  covered by state                                                               
law.  Furthermore,  a local community does  not have jurisdiction                                                               
on  the ramp  or on  the ferry.   He  asserted that  jurisdiction                                                               
would not  be in effect  once the  person left the  community and                                                               
entered the parking lot.   He explained that the vessel personnel                                                               
are in charge, and their  directions legally control.  He offered                                                               
that  people do  not use  the speed  limit of  25 miles  per hour                                                               
since  the ferry  terminal  speed limits  are  covered by  DOT&PF                                                               
regulations.   He offered  his belief  that AMHS  is part  of the                                                               
highway system  only in the  generic sense,  and not in  terms of                                                               
whether  a  motorist should  follow  crew  docking and  undocking                                                               
instructions.   He reiterated that  AMHS has the  legal authority                                                               
to control the use of headlights.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:39:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN  expressed  interest  in  reviewing  the                                                               
specific  statutes and  regulations  that provide  the AMHS  with                                                               
authority.   He explained that  cars line  up in the  parking lot                                                               
and are  directed to a  specific lane, such as  lane 3 or  4, and                                                               
drivers are instructed to turn off  their lights.  He said he was                                                               
not convinced that common sense  would prevail.  He suggested the                                                               
sponsor consider working  with DOT&PF on a  specific exemption or                                                               
clarification to allow  an official to instruct a  person to turn                                                               
off his/her headlights.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:42:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  reviewed  two issues  the  committee  had  raised.                                                               
First,  the committee  would like  the  definition of  headlights                                                               
clarified and to  determine whether fog lights  or parking lights                                                               
will suffice.   Second, the committee would like  to know whether                                                               
officials of  AMHS have  the authority  to instruct  motorists to                                                               
turn off their lights when the statute will apply to AMHS.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:43:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   JOHNSON  reverted   back  to   discuss  military                                                               
installations.  He  agreed that once a person is  on the military                                                               
base  the federal  law applies.   However,  he recalled  that the                                                               
entrance into Elmendorf  Air Force Base is  off Boniface Parkway,                                                               
and motorists  are required  to turn headlights  off.   He opined                                                               
the roadway is not under  military jurisdiction, but the military                                                               
requires  motorists  to  turn  headlights   off  along  the  mile                                                               
approach for  security reasons.   He  expressed concern  that the                                                               
military   is  authorized   to  use   deadly  force   in  certain                                                               
circumstances.   He  also expressed  concern that  the police  or                                                               
troopers might write tickets to enforce the headlight law.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:44:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG offered to  ensure that these issues are                                                               
addressed  in the  House Judiciary  Standing Committee,  which is                                                               
the next referral for HB 181.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:45:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN stated that he  does not want to stop the                                                               
bill,  but feels  frustrated when  issues are  not taken  care of                                                               
before bills are moved along.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:46:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON suggested  that the  bill could  be amended  in the                                                               
House Transportation Standing Committee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:47:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN talked  about  removing  "motor" from  the                                                               
proposed  bill   language  such  that  the   requirement  to  use                                                               
headlights would apply to all vehicles.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:47:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON highlighted  the proposed  language regarding  "the                                                               
headlight system required by law".                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:48:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN offered  that he  is not  certain the  law                                                               
requires   bicycles  to   have  working   headlights;  therefore,                                                               
[removing  "motor"  from  the proposed  bill  language]  may  not                                                               
accomplish  his  intent  [to  include  bicycles  in  the  use  of                                                               
headlights].    However,  he  suggested  rather  than  having  to                                                               
rewrite  the  entire  vehicle code,  having  a  requirement  that                                                               
anyone  operating a  vehicle on  a highway  utilize some  sort of                                                               
light system  would be  preferable to  having only  some vehicles                                                               
with lights in use.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:48:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN asked for the definition of vehicle.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG suggested  the definition  would be  in                                                               
Title 28.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:49:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON  referred to the fiscal  note of $135,135.                                                               
He inquired  as to whether DOT&PF  needs additional authorization                                                               
to spend the $40,000 mentioned in earlier testimony.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH answered  that DOT&PF has the authorization  to use the                                                               
additional funds.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON asked if DOT&PF  could use any other funds                                                               
for signage.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH answered no.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:50:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG stated that  the term vehicle is defined                                                               
in AS 28.90.990 (a)(29), which he read as follows:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          (29) "vehicle" means a device in, upon, or by                                                                         
     which a person or property  may be transported or drawn                                                                    
     upon or immediately over a  highway or vehicular way or                                                                    
     area; "vehicle" does not include                                                                                           
          (A) devices used exclusively upon stationary                                                                          
     rails or tracks;                                                                                                           
          (B) mobile homes;                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  opined that  this does  not seem  to be                                                               
grammatical.  He cited AS 28.90.990(a)(16), which read:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          (16) "motor vehicle" means a vehicle which is                                                                         
     self-propelled  except  a  vehicle moved  by  human  or                                                                    
     animal  power;  "A  vehicle  which  is  self  propelled                                                                    
     except a vehicle moved by human or animal power."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:51:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AVES  THOMPSON, Executive  Director, Alaska  Trucking Association                                                               
(ATA), stated  that his association  is a  statewide organization                                                               
representing the  interests of nearly 200  companies located from                                                               
Barrow  to Ketchikan.   He  mentioned part  of the  ATA's mission                                                               
statement is  to promote highway  and driver safety.   He offered                                                               
his belief  that the ATA  can demonstrate its strong  emphasis on                                                               
safety.   He related his  understanding that there is  a positive                                                               
impact  on  safety when  headlights  are  on  at all  times  when                                                               
driving a vehicle.  Mr. Thompson  stated that the ATA supports HB
181.   He offered his hope  that the details discussed  today can                                                               
be  worked  out.   He  emphasized  that  the  ATA does  not  want                                                               
frivolous  citations written  to enforce  the proposed  headlight                                                               
law.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:53:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG inquired  as  to  whether Mr.  Thompson                                                               
received an e-mail response to his questions.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THOMPSON answered  yes.   He related  that his  question had                                                               
been if a headlamp is  broken, whether a commercial vehicle would                                                               
be placed  out of service  and not  allowed to proceed  until the                                                               
headlamp was  repaired.  The answer  Representative Gruenberg had                                                               
provided was that a broken  headlamp would constitute a violation                                                               
and  the commercial  vehicle would  be  allowed to  proceed to  a                                                               
place for repairs.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  offered  to  provide  a  copy  of  the                                                               
correspondence to the committee.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:54:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANIEL  W.  COFFEY,  Board  Member/Legislative  Affairs,  Alaskan                                                               
Bikers Advocating Training and Education  (ABATE), stated that he                                                               
represents the  largest nonprofit motorcycle organization  in the                                                               
state.  He related that  ABATE trained 1,000 people in motorcycle                                                               
training  last year.   He  explained that  he is  the legislative                                                               
chair as well as a board member  for ABATE.  He stated that ABATE                                                               
is opposed to HB 181.   He explained if everyone's headlights are                                                               
on that diminishes  the effect of the motorcycle  headlights.  He                                                               
said, "If you  have a sea of  headlights it's hard to  pick out a                                                               
motorcycle."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:55:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG argued  that it  would be  no different                                                               
from everyone using headlights during evening hours.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. COFFEY  explained that currently motorcycles  are required to                                                               
use headlights so people scan  and see the motorcycle headlights.                                                               
He expressed concern  that if HB 181 passes, as  people scan they                                                               
will  only  see  headlights  and would  not  see  the  motorcycle                                                               
headlight, which is smaller and may  appear to be a motor vehicle                                                               
farther away.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON remarked that Mr. Coffee raised a good point.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:57:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON  commented that  this  goes  back to  his                                                               
concern that  if everyone's  headlights are on,  it would  act to                                                               
dilute the overall  effect.  He asserted  this testimony verifies                                                               
that point for him.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:58:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON pointed out that  39 of 50 states, including Alaska,                                                               
require headlights on motorcycles are used at all times.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI confirmed that is correct.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:58:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG inquired as to  whether all new cars are                                                               
built to  have headlights  turn on when  the vehicle  is started.                                                               
He offered his  belief that if this is a  federal requirement, as                                                               
older cars are  taken out of commission, more and  more cars will                                                               
use their headlights at all times.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. COFFEY  disagreed.   He related  his understanding  that only                                                               
General Motors Corporation products  have daytime running lights.                                                               
He  noted that  several other  manufacturers have,  at one  time,                                                               
produced vehicles with headlights that  remain on, but he said he                                                               
believes the manufacturers have  since retracted those practices.                                                               
He stated, "I  don't believe it is a federal  law for headlights,                                                               
other than for motorbikes."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:59:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN related  he is  trying to  understand this                                                               
bill.   He  reviewed  that if  motorcycles  currently have  their                                                               
headlights on  and people  see them due  to the  headlight usage,                                                               
then the argument  is these vehicles would lose  their ability to                                                               
be seen  when other  vehicles are using  headlights.   He related                                                               
his  driving  experience has  shown  that  any vehicle  with  its                                                               
headlights on is  visible.  Those vehicles  without headlights on                                                               
are not visible.  He disagreed  that the headlights will get lost                                                               
in  the  shuffle   or  people  will  get   accustomed  to  seeing                                                               
headlights.   He inquired as  to whether any studies  support the                                                               
idea  that the  universal  use of  headlights  renders them  less                                                               
effective.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. COFFEY said he does not know  of any studies.  He offered his                                                               
belief that  a person could  look down a  street and see  a truck                                                               
with its  headlights on, while  not seeing a motorcycle  in front                                                               
of the truck.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON recalled  hearing  testimony that  argued                                                               
against having  too many  safety zones,  since they  would become                                                               
commonplace.   He  noted  that  is the  same  argument used  with                                                               
headlights.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:02:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN offered  his  understanding  that the  two                                                               
issues are not related.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:02:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. COFFEY emphasized  that he does not  advocate the elimination                                                               
of safety zones.   He highlighted that  motorcycles have problems                                                               
being seen mostly in urban areas.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. COFFEY,  in response to  Chair Wilson, explained that  he has                                                               
experienced this since  motorcyclists die each year.   In further                                                               
response  to Chair  Wilson, Mr.  Coffey  offered to  find out  if                                                               
there  has been  an increase  in motorcycle  accidents in  states                                                               
that have a headlight requirement.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:04:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  stated that public  testimony would remain  open on                                                               
HB 181 for further discussion.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[HB 181 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:04:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 181.pdf HTRA 3/24/2009 1:00:00 PM
HB 181
HB181-DOT-TMS-03-22-09.pdf HTRA 3/24/2009 1:00:00 PM
HB 181
HJR 9.pdf HTRA 3/24/2009 1:00:00 PM
HJR 9